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spencer求生刀案例谷歌惩罚的原因和解决办法

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发表于 2013-11-13 10:31:11 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 帝尧故里 于 2013-11-13 10:32 编辑 8 y* @8 q  P+ z* Y

" p1 }8 t, u" L2 O( g实在没时间翻译成中文,但又觉得非常有价值,spencer自己的总结,有些可能有助于更正想法,文章至少这几点值得关注:
9 n0 O7 g4 O0 T# T: x3 m1)spencer擅长关键词研究和adsense,对amazon是新手,求生刀关键词排名seo值得学习,但页面布局和链接有待商榷(那个对比图俺曾想模仿,可惜俺技术不佳);
9 J- e. n, I9 L9 b8 q+ s: }2)求生刀受谷歌惩罚排名下降的教训和解决办法值得俺们新手学习;
& v4 E  {1 M+ B7 o3)spencer后来重新添加的链接目前没有cloak,也就是说从以前的cloak调成了非cloak;这一点请前辈们多指点,是不是nofollow+amazon直链 对谷歌是完全可行的? 如果用pretty link lite+nofollow是不是也可行,或者是不是更好?(俺目前正在加链接,抓狂中)
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5 v; d# u; p5 S8 H欢迎大家共同探讨交流,谢谢!2 X7 l/ R* ]! m& S% K
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5 x; d) ~$ L: w/ II have some good news and some bad news about my public niche site.
9 Y2 V8 i8 A- v8 OThe bad news is that I got hit with a Google penalty on March 9th.  The good news is that I figured out what happened and the site recovered 100% of its rankings on March 12th!
. W" h. U7 z* K) @& v! ?When the penalty hit (and yes it was a penalty, not the “Google dance”), I had no idea why.  However, after a few days of thinking everything through, I was able to narrow it down, take action, and see the penalty lifted.  I want to cover what happened here in detail to provide a big lesson learned for me, and hopefully to save you from making the same mistake.! l* L% a" j. l4 U
What Happened to My Niche Site?As shared in previous posts, my niche site (bestsurvivalknifeguide.com) was off to a great start…it was ranking in Google and making money.  Then I wrote a post on March 7th about how to build links for niche sites and starting building a few links to my niche site.  I had made just 7 or 8 blog comments on relevant blogs and assigned my Virtual Assistant to start submitting my site to a few web directories.
5 `, g+ U( S5 @Then on March 9th my site dropped in Google to position 237…what?!
( |3 F4 `: y& uMy heart sank.  This is not good.5 S/ c6 x8 A- X1 p5 V% b2 g# M, w
At first, I thought maybe it was just the Google dance (new sites tend to bounce up and down in Google when they are brand new).  However, after a day of dropped rankings, I could tell it was a penalty for 2 reasons:  1. When I searched for my site “brand” name: – best survival knife guide – (without quotes) in Google, my site was not on the first couple of pages.  2. The page ranking at position 237 was not my homepage, but a subpage.% j( |% G8 K& i/ D8 n
And so knowing this was a Google penalty, I immediately thought it must be related to the links that I had just started building.  The timing seemed to indicate that as soon as I started building links, my site got hit.  (However, this assumption turned out to be false as I explain later on).1 k* R8 Y8 E5 U9 L6 }
I immediately asked my VA to stop building any more directory links.  In fact, I asked him to try and remove any links that he had built.  I figured that if I could remove the links and start fresh again, my rankings should come back.  However, with many of the directory links, this is not always possible.  And to be honest, most of the directory links had not even been approved yet (some can take weeks to get approved).
/ F% x, p+ L! ^$ S; M4 [What Caused the Google Penalty?The more I thought about it, the less convinced I was that the links had anything to do with it at all.
7 T( [/ X0 C7 a$ C- x  f' X% s* IYou see, I followed the EXACT same link building technique on my last niche site; including the EXACT same directories, and that site is sitting happily at #1 in Google right now.  I was not out building spammy links, but just a handful of genuine blog comments and a few web directory links (not hundreds or thousands).3 L5 F5 ]: }7 ~6 j
So, I started to compare what I had done with my survival knife site and my previous niche sites that are ranking well in Google.  The theme is the same.  The quality content is there.  The keyword research is there.+ Y! w8 K5 E! d
Then it hit me.  The ONE thing that I had done different with this niche site than any other site I’ve built, is the use of Amazon Associate links!  All of my sites have always utilized Google Adsense, so I’m comfortable with that process and really know the ins and outs there.3 Y8 {3 q8 K$ g! @7 @0 m9 a  T
However, Amazon is a new beast for me.  So, I took a look at my site and how I was using the Amazon affiliate links.  The more I looked, the more I figured this must indeed be the issue.5 w& @1 N2 Q, C
You see in my ambition to provide an awesome site (which I think I have), I created a massive comparison chart for about 50 different survival knives.  To make money, I had inserted my Amazon affiliate link on EACH of these knife listings not once..but TWICE! (Once on the name of the knife, and once on the pictures of the knives).  So just with that chart alone, I had about 100 Amazon affiliate links on my home page!
4 ^3 k$ @9 d4 B5 K& }; ]This is what caused the penalty.  And I can prove it.
, M1 H5 M$ e7 L% j+ R- aHow I Removed the Google PenaltyAt about noon on March 12th I decided to remove all the Amazon affiliate links from my homepage.  I figured Google was penalizing me for having too much advertising on my page.  I should also point out that all of these links were “cloaked” affiliate links.  So they were redirects, rather than direct affiliate links.  So, cloaking for SEO purposes doesn’t work.$ `* R2 P  O3 W& p- l( K
So, at noon, all the links were gone.  I checked my niche site again at about 9pm again.  All my rankings had returned!!  So, within about 8 or 9 hours Google had removed the penalty it had placed, once I removed my affiliate links…woohoo!!- k7 U: ^; ]* P
Here’s a quick recap of my Google rankings over the past several days to show you exactly what happened:
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  • March 7th – 25
  • March 8th – 24
  • March 9th – 237 (Google penalty…ouch!)
  • March 10th – 246
  • March 11th – 225
  • March 12th @ noon – around 230
  • March 12th @ 9pm – 26 (Penalty removed…yipee!)
  • March 13th – 25 (back in business

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Lesson Learned: Too many affiliate links will penalize your site! E* q" b0 S/ ?) [' T+ ~
Yes, I know this should seem obvious.  And yes, I now realize that 100 amazon links on my homepage was overkill.  However, I’m learning this whole Amazon associates thing as I go here.  Again my expertise is keyword research and Google Adsense; so I’m making a few “newbie” mistakes apparently for all to see.

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But hopefully my mistake here will help prevent YOU from making a similar mistake.0 V6 r# Y( ?' f0 Y5 q! b& a
Can I Use Amazon Links Now?I am just happy to have my site back (as you can imagine).  I’m going to just focus on ranking my site over the next month or so.  However, as it sits now, it won’t be making much money; because I’ve removed most of the affiliate links.  So, can I put affiliate links back on the site?
& g4 O  }. ?4 U1 HI don’t think affiliate links by themselves are bad.  However, when you have a massive number like I did, they are bad.  So, I may have to get creative in how to monetize this site because my original plan with a huge buyers matrix is not working.  (Well actually it was working great, but Google didn’t like all the affiliate links).; {8 q& F8 m6 @/ t% D6 [; ?/ P
I’ll be thinking of the best way forward for monetizing this site over the coming weeks.  However, here are a few options I thought of:
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  • Option 1: I could remove the comparison matrix completely, and just have a few affiliate links for the actual knife reviews I did on the homepage.  I don’t like this idea because the comparison matrix is really what makes my site stand out, and I put a lot of time into it.
  • Option 2: I could remove the comparison matrix from the homepage, and just LINK to it on a subpage.  So, the user would have to click a link to be taken to the comparison matrix on another page.  I could make this page no-index/no-follow so that Google doesn’t rank that page.  Then I likely could add back all my affiliate links without having it penalize the rest of my site.
  • Option 3: I could decrease the size of the matrix to 10 or 20 knives and only use 1 affiliate link on each knife.  I suspect there is some magic number I could find here for amount of content vs. number of affiliate links to prevent from getting a penalty.  Perhaps I could even keep the matrix as is if I only had one affiliate link on each.
  • Option 4: I could write reviews on every knife on the list, and then have the comparison matrix link to the reviews; rather than affiliate links.  The review pages would obviously then have a couple of affiliate links.
  • Option 5: I could put the matrix into an ebook (along with some other reviews), and go for the opt-in to start collecting emails.  Then I could put all the affiliate links I want in the ebook.  I could also monetize the list through email offers. (Important Update! I have been notified in the comments and by email from others helping me out that using Amazon Affiliate links in an ebook or in an email is against their Terms of Service.  So, I will NOT be doing this.  Please see Rule #6 on this page of Amazon for reference.)
  • Option 6: I could give up on Amazon, and go with other monetization methods.
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There are likely several other options that I could consider as well.  If you have any additional ideas, I’m all ears.) b6 t1 Y* x3 C
The Future of My Niche SiteI’m still very excited about the future of this niche site.  My in-depth keyword research, has proven to be accurate.  There is a great market for survival knives.  In fact, between March 1st and March 9th, the site made me $42.69!  And what’s interesting is that I made $0 from March 10th to March 12th.  This is the time my site was not ranking anywhere in Google, but all my affiliate links were still in place.8 s, h9 Z. g  O! ]$ D* H
Just goes to show that most of the purchases have been made by people that are not readers of this blog.  Most of the money has come from a few knife sales; which is pretty cool!  However, I don’t expect to make much more the rest of this month; which is just fine.  I want to develop a solid plan for moving forward.
* C+ R1 c+ Z3 S0 Q' ]/ k+ @- b* ROverall, my focus is going to be just getting the site ranked higher in Google.  As I do, there are clearly several options that I choose from to monetize this site.  So, stick around…I’m sure there will be more interesting developments down the road." O3 s& |- ?' n4 i2 G7 B
Also, if you have any thoughts or questions, please leave a comment below.  I look forward to the discussion.5 ^3 m" E9 n: z1 q' a4 m
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(来源:www.nichepursuits.com/how-to-get ... -and-how-to-recover- {1 t6 A! J' S7 h& o

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发表于 2013-11-13 10:34:13 | 显示全部楼层
还是最好花时间翻译一下$ ~2 K$ S/ B; H3 p6 Q
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发表于 2013-11-13 10:36:50 | 显示全部楼层
是啊,翻译下就节省时间了
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-13 10:45:37 | 显示全部楼层
大家不是想学英语吗?把这个案例分析当英语教材来看吧!
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-13 10:48:21 | 显示全部楼层
月光飞燕 发表于 2013-11-13 10:34 * X/ W0 i1 c& h! H/ l
还是最好花时间翻译一下
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妹妹给指点下呗;nofollow+直链,谷歌会有影响不? 如果pretty link lite+ nofollow 会对亚马逊有影响不?我倒是看了论坛了的相关帖子,还是没搞定。
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还有英语交流群啊  发表于 2013-11-13 23:28
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发表于 2013-11-13 11:38:11 | 显示全部楼层
帝尧故里 发表于 2013-11-13 10:48
! k" q3 L7 N! Q  V妹妹给指点下呗;nofollow+直链,谷歌会有影响不? 如果pretty link lite+ nofollow 会对亚马逊有影响不 ...
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nofollow+直链比直接链好一点,至少不传递权重
1 T5 x2 ~) y- q6 A0 j+ @0 l最好的是geoip转向,google的ip无法访问链接
2 B4 H( w: J$ G但是这种需要技术才能做
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hudba + 2 cloak,用maxmind可以查organization

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发表于 2013-11-13 11:58:28 | 显示全部楼层
求翻译,方便大家观看
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发表于 2013-11-14 09:42:43 | 显示全部楼层
楼主是哪里人呀?看名字应该是老乡吧,求交流!3 C8 e# x; w) d) V% |
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-14 12:12:42 | 显示全部楼层
lengxue888 发表于 2013-11-14 09:42
. N9 B+ I! |; X$ u9 @楼主是哪里人呀?看名字应该是老乡吧,求交流!
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好呀,老乡,欢迎多交流。这行没有交流没法成功,尤其对俺这样的菜鸟。
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发表于 2013-11-15 22:13:01 | 显示全部楼层
一大篇文章只说了一句话: 不要在网站上面放大量亚马逊链接. q3 J0 `1 a& F; E* J2 ^) B; ^7 l- z
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发表于 2013-11-27 12:49:08 | 显示全部楼层
manman008 发表于 2013-11-15 22:13 5 q4 S8 H% C; r0 S6 f
一大篇文章只说了一句话: 不要在网站上面放大量亚马逊链接
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总结得好啊。。。。。。。。。。。。。+ U5 Q! A# I. t4 X% X) n

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